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Nov 30, 2023·edited Nov 30, 2023Author

To all you wonderful commenters: I’ve got a bunch of stuff to do today, but will respond as soon as I can. I like the comments section to be a genuine conversation, but sometimes that gets delayed. In the meantime, know I thank you, so, so much!! Some of my writing on subjects like this is hard to do—not research or writing hard, but because of the nature of the content. Your responses keep me going!

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This stack "The Media Need to Do Better" is an incredibly important piece, and I've not seen ANYTHING else like it anywhere. It was a relief to keep reading all the details and examples Bordo provides. She has a way of identifying the unease I have felt in the New York Times' reporting about October 7, etc., for example. The comparison to the demonizing of Hillary and empowering of Trump is dead-on. Remember how those absurd and false attributions to Hillary just slid along, poisoning peoples' impressions? It's happening again -- this time about Israel and Jews. I am very grateful for this analysis, and all the work that clearly went into it.

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Thank you so, so much! This is one of those pieces that took a lot out of me. I’m so very glad it struck home with you re. Identifying the unease with reporting and also comparison with 2016, which I feared some people would find out of place. Comments like this make the stress of writing stuff like this worth it.

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Susan,

This piece is terrific journalism about journalism. You made it poignantly clear in the beginning that this is personal for you. But you then did a painstaking job of pointing out the slovenly journalism of the MSM with facts and credible sources. I also appreciated that when Nicole Wallace did what journalist are supposed to do, which is to question, you gave her credit.

I'm proud to be your subscriber and Substack friend.

Best,

David

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Thanks so much! I took the liberty of quoting from this in notes and Facebook. Hope that’s ok!

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Nov 30, 2023Liked by Susan Bordo

I've shared this to my feeds with the following:

This is a long article, but well worth the read. Those of you who don't understand how Hillary was vilified and doubted, how Trump won and actually polled as the more honest candidate 🤣, look no further than media bias. And now, with Hamas being quoted and believed and Israel being vilified and doubted, many of you are falling for the same bullshit narratives, but in the opposite direction. PAY ATTENTION!

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Thank you for sharing this on your feeds. I hope it’s getting some traffic! Are we Facebook friends? I tried looking you up but no luck.

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I found you/followed you on Twitter but it looks like you don't post there anymore?

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No, I’m pretty much Facebook and substack since it became “X”

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I just DM'd you on FB

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Susan, this is brilliant media criticism, and I will be sharing it with many contacts. You’re preaching to the converted with me regarding the biases of mainstream media, especially the liberal outlets like MSNBC, the NYT, the Wash Post - even without all the spin of headlines and unwillingness to correct bad reporting more transparently, supposedly objective news sites have long displayed bias in deciding which stories or angles to give column inches to and which not ( they’re going down the same bad road with boosterish AI coverage, but that’s another story).

You are very wise to connect your analysis of Israel-Hamas coverage to the debacle of reporting on Hillary in the run-up to the 2016 election. The awful job big news outlets did then needs to be repeated and reported, again and again, before the 2024 election. Right after Trump’s win in 2016, many in the press expressed anguish privately about the part they played (I talked to a number of Nieman fellows back then), but you are absolutely right that those still around have repressed all that.

Keep calling them to account, Susan. And if you haven’t listened to it already, you might be interested in a recent On the Media episode that reports on the NYT’s current success being based on how much it’s become a full-service digital platform, one that follows the same playbook of other digital sites and social media to keep users mindlessly clicking.

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I’d love to hear more about that private anguish. In public, no one has expressed any regret or responsibility except for Jeffrey Toobin. I’ve exhausted myself writing about it in my books and articles. Shouting into the wind (or to those who already agree.) And I do seem to have been black-listed by the MSM. Even my agent dropped me after my Hillary book! And no potential new agent wants to hear about a book reviving attention on 2016.

We just march on ahead, making the same mistakes over and over.

I’ll check out that “On the Media” episode!

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Well, yes, many journalists seem unable to admit that they were wrong in public or that anything could go wrong when they're supposed to be objective. What they mostly admitted (at least in talks and conversations I recall from back then) was they were biased to believe that Hillary would win because nobody could imagine Donald Trump – or "the Donald" widely satirized in Spy magazine in the '80s – winning. Others reporting in markets outside the east-coast bubble said they were hearing something very different from voters, but this still didn't pass the cut with their editors. Lots of blame to pass around, but regardless, I think you should keep shouting into the wind. The MSM has far less power in general than it used to, except for the NYT, and that consolidation of news outlets is yet another problem. I'll keep shouting with you, anyway :-)

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It is certainly better than no free media at all but the MSM is psychologically broken. https://samray.substack.com/p/how-the-news-is-psychologically-broken

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We’re on the same page about this.

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Nov 30, 2023Liked by Susan Bordo

Such an excellent and important piece. Every word. There is a typo you might want to correct in the 3rd from final paragraph. 2026 should be 2016, I believe. Thanks for writing this..will share.

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Thanks Pam! I corrected the typo (and found a few more too.) And so appreciate your sharing it.

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A necessary, clarifying piece.

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Thanks Rona!!

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Love this! I ended my times subscription after a zillion years. It’s always been fairly awful about Israel but the blood libel early in the war about this hospital was just a bridge too far

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Believe me, I’d stop mine too if I didn’t need to keep up with it so I can deconstruct it!! Also, see my comment to you about the “left” in your convo thread with Karl.

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Two items. Here’s the link to gurwinder’s NPC essay.

https://open.substack.com/pub/gurwinder/p/why-you-are-probably-an-npc?r=6x9gm&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

He’s also got the best essay I’ve seen on the history of Israel and Palestine. A lot of people here don’t need that history lesson, maybe, but i sure did.

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I’m considering having “questions remain” put on my tombstone.

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Dearest Susan, you got it right. I am baffled that the world is protecting terrorists and gang-rapists and "progressives" hold demonstrations for them.

Thank you for clarifying what was going on in 2016 against Hillary. A very painful memory. She, a discreet and intelligent person, was always private about her life and decisions, and media did not like it. They want news, at any cost. Trump, who is a narcissistic psychopath, could not wait to get the limelight, and he sold news, he attracted attention.

By the way, these days, Hillary is one of the very few who speak up for Israeli women.

Probably you remember me, I was there on FB a few years earlier and we were FB friends. I am the one who calls Hillary my Mama.

https://medium.com/@nancytaylor26/hillary-condemned-rape-against-women-hostages-proud-845e22f11d03

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I do remember!! Hugs to you!

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Dec 6, 2023Liked by Susan Bordo

Thank you Susan for another great article. I’m really sorry if this isn’t the place to put this, I don’t know what I’m doing on here... but I wondered if you had seen this clip? I was absolutely staggered by it, yet have only seen it in one place. I am not American and don’t know US politics well, so maybe I am missing some context but I just could not believe what I was seeing here. Anyway, like I said, just wondered if you had seen it...

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1732155787558969444

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Thank you for this. It’s horrifying. I’m going to post on my FB page.

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Dec 6, 2023Liked by Susan Bordo

Good idea. After I sent this to you I saw that Eve Barlow has also included this in her latest piece

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Love this and you've definitely gained a subscriber.

I am a former organizer, spent a lot of the '80s and '90s screaming into the void because I saw this coming and no one wanted to hear me.

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Thank you! And ignore Mr. Merchant’s comment. I know exactly what you’re talking about.

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Mr. Merchant got himself blocked.

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God damn it. I could feel, reading it, how much you put into writing this. And how much writing it took out of you.

When I was younger, and I used to read multiple left wing periodicals regularly, a big theme was deconstructing sloppy journalism. One magazine i used to read would literally run a page of text, circling parts with red pen and explaining the elision of facts, the insinuations lacking context or evidence, and all the rest of the tricks you’re so good at finding and explaining.

At that time, criticism of Israel’s policies was the norm on the serious left. And the mainstream liberal media was more or less pro-Israel. (I think I’m recalling it accurately and characterizing it reasonably, but feel free to say otherwise)

Thus, the serious left wing narrative was that Israel’s policies were subject to the same flaws as the USA’s. And the serious left was deconstructing mainstream media that supported USA/Israel whitewashing of culpability, moral failures, etc.

Now, the mainstream liberal narrative seems to be more like the serious left take at that time. Which means, to me, that the serious left now ought to be saying what you’re saying. But the identity politics left doesn’t remind me at all of the serious left of that era; tolerance of mainstream journalism seems to tack like a sail, depending on how well the mainstream carries water for progressives.

And I don’t recall in that era feeling like the serious left wing criticism of Israel skated anywhere near anti-Semitism.

Maybe my memory is off, or my perception at the time was superficial. (Both are possible.)

But the situation just seems fucked up. From where I sit, the left, the center, and the right all seem full of shit.

How can we possibly depend on either progressives or the “centrist” media to help us deal with it if our country slips into authoritarianism?

And how the hell did we arrive at a place where I have to work this hard to keep up and I still feel at sea?

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See my comment at end of this thread.

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Do you think the left got derailed around 2016 (Trump) and further derailed 2020 (George Floyd, Covid) to the point that actual truth is viewed as irrelevant?

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I’ve seen commentators on this topic who can give a more accurate and researched account of what happened and when. Those two moments were certainly pivotal, but my sense of it is more impressionistic.

I do think that for many on the left, “truth” is often about feelings more than numbers and data. For what it’s worth-- I think that problem is much more egregious and widespread on the right, and I think the data bears me out on this. But there’s plenty of ideological self delusion to go around in the US at the moment.

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Since I used to trust mainstream media it hurts more on the center left. Or what was the center. I don’t expect much from the right

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I feel this way too. Betrayed. But as an (ex)academic, I’ve felt this way for a long time. Groupthink was big among the academic “left” before it became such a public problem. And actually, I’ve struggled with this tendency since the 1960’s. It sent me out of the political groups I was a part of. That purist inclination toward “one true way,” with everyone all excited to proclaim themselves a part of the enlightened. I hated it then and I hate it now. In my opinion, the “left” was more destructive in 2016 than the Trumpsters. The GOP cult doesn’t even pretend to be pure; they are pretty shameless that their aim is POWER. Not virtue.

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Me too! I was an organizer in the '80s and one thing that always bothered me was my compatriots' desire to push the "one true way" without considering compromise.

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Yeah. Sigh.

This reminds me of @gurwinder’s essay about NPCs.

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Please more info on that. Where can I find?

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Nah, this has always been around. It's just that before social media you had to be dialed into the proper periodicals to see it.

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You are absolutely correct about the criticism of Israel's policies on the serious left. There's also a big crossover with the peace movement of that era. I do disagree about your perception of antisemitism in the left wing criticism of Israel in that era--or perhaps a difference in location might explain it. But most of it also went hand-in-glove with dismissal of women's rights, BIPOC people's rights, anything except the class struggle was supposed to be deprioritized because the class struggle would solve everything. Meanwhile the same pale-hued men who were saying "the class struggle is the solution" were being sexist and racist....

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“You don’t seem to understand that you don’t get to tell me what’s anti-semitic and not.”

So I must stay quiet and accept your erroneous presumptions and false arguments because you claim a tie with a certain ethnic group? Do I get the same privilege wrt anti-Irish rhetoric because my ancestors were farmers from Cork? No, of course not, at least if I want to debate like a grownup and not a privileged elitist.

“Would you dare instruct a Black person about what’s racist and what’s not?”

Yes, I would and I do so if confronted. Not to do so is cowardice. Would you sit there and take it if a Black man pronounced that Jews follow a guttural religion and are satanic? It isn’t only Islamic ministers who say such things. In your case, not to give the Black bigot a pass because of his skin color would be hypocritical.

“And it’s my relatives you’re attacking. My people. My ancestors. My grandmother who never spoke anything but Yiddish. My mother and her brothers who came here, escaping the pogroms.”

This is emotionally-driven intimidation. And ridiculous. If I say, “It sure is suspicious that Israel, whose leaders boasted the best security in the world, could not stop this brazen, crude Hamas invasion” - it is a reasonable issue to raise, not an insult to your grandparents. I haven’t even heard of them! Refute me with facts, not with life stories of your ancestors.

Your attempt at justifying random accusations of antisemitism is sophisticated and pre-emptive, but thank goodness it no longer works as well as it used to. People are getting wise to it and recognize it for what it is: Censorship. Luckily, the recent push to stifle free speech on Substack was unsuccessful. But it was scary because the reasoning behind it was similar to yours: Just throw out the label of antisemitism and it will stick. I am sure the self-appointed thought police will be back at it again. What is interesting about these sneaky propagandists is that they focus on swastikas and Third Reich anthem lyrics, yet they promote the underlying ideas of Nazism to wit, censorship and harassment of divergent opinions.

Your Hillary apologia doesn’t cut it, either. She did not lose in 2016 because of persecution from the MSM or because of emails. It was due to personality. Most voters simply did not find her likeable compared to Trump. People were attracted to Trump’s husdpah and terse tweets. Hardly anyone cared about alleged “Russian collusion.” Superficial? Unfortunately yes, but that is the reality of American elections.

And speaking of emails, did you even bother to look at the materials from WikiLeaks? If you had, you might not be so dismissive of the significance of HRC’s breaches of security, just because the documents did not have classified stamps on them. If people had really read them and cared about them, she might not have even won the Democratic nomination. I spent my career in DOD with many assignments in sensitive positions, and you should know that classification of documents is only one part of determining the level of protection. There is also the need-to-know aspect of it, which standard also applies to unclassified documents. And the higher the level of rank or position, the greater the duty to exercise good judgment with respect to documents.

Great work in uncovering that MSNBC poll showing Trump in a favorable light. I had no idea there was even a smidgen of pro-Trump materials in MSM. But I would like to know how the MSNBC reporter spun the poll. That part is missing. And yes, Fox News is in on all the bias and lies.

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We are clearly not going to agree on much in my work, but I appreciate your engagement!

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Dec 24, 2023·edited Dec 24, 2023Author

By the way, the word is “chutzpah.” Not “husdpah”

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‘Defenseless’. Hilarious. 300 miles of fancy tunnels that are only for Hamas.

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"White belt energy." Kinda telling, my dude.

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