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Janice Airhart's avatar

It is truly grotesque. God help us.

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Jerry Spiegler's avatar

It would not surprise me to learn that 47 arranged for the disposal of his former best friend Epstein to shield himself from Kompromat that Epstein likely had on him.

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EKB's avatar

Trump is doing what he promised to do. Not sure why anyone is shocked. Trump is also who he is. We saw it constantly on the campaign trail. Not sure why anyone is shocked.

Is he the Antichrist? Sorry but that’s a little much. I think Hamas, Hezbollah and the mullahs of Iran, probably the Houthi’s, North Korea, Xi of China, the Saudi’s and Putin carry that label.

Trump is just a horrible human being who has Constitutional controls on his behavior when people actually employ them as they did in a few cases.

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Susan Bordo's avatar

There are plenty of other emissaries of Satan. I focused on Trump because he is seen as a Christ figure by evangelicals. I was arguing against them. You’ll get no argument from me about the others, but they don’t justify themselves through Christianity, so calls for a different response. As to what he said when he was running, there were lots of promises (lies) he made that had nothing to do with purging his enemies. Remember the price of eggs promises? What a farce!!

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EKB's avatar

Well I do think that expecting the price of eggs to come down in a week after he became POTUS is a little much. The economy doesn’t work that way. But it’s interesting that my best friends are all believing christians very involved in their churches and they voted for him. I think that the dems hurt themselves with their attachment to the fringe radical social policies, and the fact that people feel they were lied to about so many things by the dems. So they didn’t care if Trump was a liar.

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Susan Bordo's avatar

I don’t agree that the Dems were attached to fringe positions. Some, for sure. But certainly not Biden or Kamala. I think that a huge amount of that was a disinformation campaign on the part of the GOP. They are experts at demonizing the DEms, and the Dems are not very good at fighting back. Re. The eggs—of course it can’t happen in a day. That was Trump’s lying promise. And in fact he’s doing everything that will be an obstacle to prices coming down.

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EKB's avatar

I’m afraid the Title IX gender issues played to people. And the dems didnt do well with that because they couldn’t. I’m sorry but every major news outlet save for Fox are all in for the dems. Not sure how much more they could have fought back. We are going to have to disagree on this. Truth is, I think people were simply fed up with being told by the dems that they were too stupid to know how good they had it. People know what their lives are like. Maybe the dems should have leaned into that and given middle america the respect it deserves.

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Susan Bordo's avatar

I agree that the Dems have things to learn—I’ve been furious with them about a lot of things—but my diagnosis is different than yours. Too much to go into now, though.

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EKB's avatar

I’ve read your other essays. I have taken them in as food for thought. I just didn’t comment.

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EKB's avatar

lets see- the judge who stopped the birthright EO, the fact that he backtracked on freezing payments when he was told basically that it was unconstitutional by OMB, just to name a few. There are also lawsuits started by civil service workers etc. Lots of lawsuits coming. That is constitutional controls.

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Susan Bordo's avatar

I hope so. There are also lots of Trump lacky judges, and the frigging Supreme Court. I desperately hope you’re right. But I don’t have much faith in “guardrails” anymore. Too many knocked down. And until the balance of power in the house and senate changes, not much hope of restoration.

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EKB's avatar

I put more faith in the Supreme Court than you do. And the judge who put a hold on the birthright EO is a Reagan nominee. The issue is the interpretation of the constitution and as usual there are disagreements what it means when adn the reach it has. There have been quite a number of unanimous decisions lately that no one talks about.

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Susan Bordo's avatar

“Interpretation” is a smokescreen for political interests when it comes to Alito and Thomas. Their arguments on key cases have been absurd.

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EKB's avatar

Well actually there are 2 major schools of thought when it comes to constitutional interpretation which have been at odds with each other since the very beginning. Is it politically motivated? I would say that it is guided by a person’s prejudices. Constitutional law is a funny thing since it is made by just 9 persons and they can rely on whatever precedent they choose.

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Sumter Coleman's avatar

How much insanity are we going to tolerate before we get rid of Trump? We have to recognize this is not normal politics he’s on a mission to destroy the government and he doesn’t care who he hurts already. The whole international community is aligned against us and we’re still acting as if the Senate has advice and consent functions to serve. It’s time for them to wake up and impeach president Trump, we all need to write to our senators and Congress people make our words known to every person we know and respond to this crisis center, Carmichael

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Susan Bordo's avatar

I couldn’t agree more. I think that what they do with Patel, who so clearly lied about “no plans for firing” will be a pretty good indication of whether the GOP is able to wake up or not. If they confirm him, I don’t see any possibility of impeachment. I agree that we all need to get in touch with our senators and any other public action available to us, but it’s really only the Republicans constituents that can have any effect on these confirmations and/or impeachments. It is insanity, you’re right.

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Nancy F's avatar

You might be a voice in the wilderness. I don't know. But I do know that the 2016 election sent me to bed with terror at the thought of DT. This elections was a "meh". My party lied and didn't even have a primary wherein some good and qualified candidates could have shown.

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Susan Bordo's avatar

I was a huge supporter of Hillary, even wrote a book about that election. But as depressed and angry as I was, Trump was less competent in his first term and that helped us get him out in 2022. Much more organized and much more extreme in 2024–and no guardrails anymore. So I find the current situation much more dire.

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Sandra Sawyer's avatar

Trump's 'christianity' is that of the Prosperity Gospel which is clearly occultism, witchcraft and has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I've studied this for decades and immediately prosperity gospel as counterfeit. So this is where we are now... my church is being deceived and I no longer trust them as my spiritual leaders.

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Tracie Lemmon's avatar

I really enjoyed your article. I have said Trump was The Anti-Christ before he was elected for his first term. The man has no empathy for others. He is Satan! He wants to take away all freedoms from everyone and force them to do what he wants. Jesus is totally opposite. Jesus wants all of us to have our free agency and freedom of choice. Jesus may not agree with all of our choices but that is his way. The adversary or Satan is clever. He has been making good look evil and evil look good. His messages tend to be loud, bold, and boastful. That is what the President of my church spoke April 2020. I think it sounds just like Trump!

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Sumter Coleman's avatar

Susan: Thank you for your scholarship and wisdom. The horror is the media. Is acting like this destruction is normal politics .Mitch McConnell is talking about our enemies Iran, N.Korea, China and Russia . Not the EU dropping us as a trading partner. Time to wake up and impeach TRUMP!

Sumter Carmichael Coleman

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Sumter Coleman's avatar

Susan, I don’t know how t to reach you. The EU has just pulled out as a trading partner with us and plans to impose tariffs on us. Do you know any Republicans you could influence to take action contact the senators get them to wake up. It’s truly insanity to just let this continue even if you’re a republican, Vance may not be great, but at least he doesn’t have a vendetta against the government .

I just love your brilliant work and like being part of your group Sumter Carmichael Coleman

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Susan Bordo's avatar

Thank you Sumter. I’ve been racking my brain thinking of things to do. I know lots of Republicans, as I live in Kentucky, but only casually—and none in a position of any influence. And when I’ve tried to talk to any of them, I hit a brick wall when it comes to politics. My thought for now is to see if our governor Andy Beshear (a democrat who I think should run for POTUS in 2028, and who is fiercely anti-Trump) will meet with me and discuss the situation and what I can do (besides writing Op Eds for the local paper, which I’ve done before and will do again but which seems pretty feeble.)

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Larry Koenigsberg's avatar

What Can Be Done? (From Talking Points Memo) --

Civil rights lawyer Sherrilyn Ifill, on setting realistic expectations and saving enough of the foundational bricks of democracy to be able to rebuild in the future (from her Substack, at https://sherrilyn.substack.com/p/democracy-is-crumbling-is-anybody):

The truth is that we will NOT be able to stop every terrible thing that this administration seeks to do. Elections really do have consequences – as many of us tried with tremendous urgency to make clear last year. But we can slow things down, win some battles, throw sand in the gears of others. If we save some lives, some jobs, some critical government agencies, some measure of press freedom, some medical and subsistence benefits, academic freedom for some schools and universities, and protect the dignity, safety and constitutional rights of some of our most vulnerable fellow Americans, it will be worth it.

And it will be from whatever remainder of democratic structure, values, and policies we are able to protect that we will have the space and platform on which to do the work of building an urgently needed new democracy in our country. So our fight today is worth it.

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Monty Bone's avatar

I have said all along that I wouldn’t be surprised if tRump isn’t the Antichrist but then muskrat started running everything and interjecting himself in Germanys election he seems to be well connected with Russia, China, Ukraine, I think he’s trying to run the world!

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Susan Bordo's avatar

Yeah, those rich techno-bros have s whole other agenda.

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KHolbekistan's avatar

Trump is one of the very worst versions of humankind. He is self absorbed, fearful, ignorant and hateful. Inside him is a gaping hole that can never be filled. When he says, ‘I am your retribution’ he means that he’s everyone’s retribution. He is a signal of the end of times, just not the biblical version. It’s the end of decency, compassion and fairness. Strap in - this isn’t over and it will take years and the decline of nations to make this stop.

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Susan Bordo's avatar

Yikes you are even more pessimistic than I am. Hope your apocalyptic prognosis goes too far. But your description of Trump is damned accurate.

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KHolbekistan's avatar

My response was offered pre-coffee. But it’s hard to find a silver lining right now.

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James's avatar

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/#google_vignette

You would all do well to study this. As days pass things become clear as day. Clear as crystal that Trump is not “an” antichrist, but *the* antichrist.

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John.W's avatar

Revenge, retribution -- irrelevant. Trump must be stopped. How many of us think it's already too late?

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Susan Bordo's avatar

Read @Timothy Snyder’s latest stack. He says it’s never too late. Personally, I need that encouragement, as I feel as though we’re in hell and it’s hard to see a way out at this point. But it’s clear there is a growing opposition, and I’m constantly thinking of ways I can be a part of it, if only in a small way.

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John.W's avatar

Thanks,good comment.

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