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Two quick additions to the Talmud story. Apologies if you’re already familiar…

1) The phrase that ends the argument “It’s not in heaven” is a quote from the Torah. So Torah is quoted to tell the heavenly voice to “back off.” It’s a nice irony.

2) The story goes on to ask how God responded. It says “Upon hearing Rabbi Joshua's response, God laughed and said, "My children have defeated Me; My children have defeated Me."

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I love these additions. Wish I’d known before, so I could put them in. The second one is especially delicious!

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Jun 10Liked by Susan Bordo

I haven't read this piece before, but it's very forthright, engaging, and dare I say it, kind and fair in describing your father; the image in my mind of him conversing/debating his grandchild is priceless. As an older (I'm not elderly! No, I refuse to be elderly!) WASP male, I still struggle with family dynamics and foibles that I was raised with and understand could (and can) be quite limiting. Yet I still try to be generous emotionally and intellectually, even if they do not reciprocate. Brava on a very touching piece.

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Thanks so much Christopher! I hope you like “My Father’s Body” too. It was a breakthrough piece for me in terms of allowing emotion into my writing. Philosophy training—feh!!!

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Thank you for returning me to our charmed circle; my memories are like a wilting garden occasionally restored to vigor by a compassionate watering. (Mostly these days I do my own watering.)

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Hi Larry!! I see there’s an email from you too. Looking forward to reading.

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Susan,

I loved this essay, both the thoughts on the wonderfully disputatious nature of Judaism and your lovely and loving remembrance of your father.

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Thank you! Funny to think about your mother and my father in the same room. What a collision that would be!

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You painted a very real and enjoyable portrait of your father and the legacy he left you.

Thank you.

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Thank you for saying so!

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It drives Republicans & right wing Israel totally nuts that 75% of American Jews are liberal.

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Hahahaha. Let the driving continue!!

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For some reason, most America Jews don’t like fascists so it’s assured.

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